published Saturday, June 15th, 2013

World's Policeman

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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PlainTruth said...

Hell has frozen over.

June 15, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
miraweb said...

Syria seems to be a series of bad choices. Do nothing and terrible things happen. Do something and Russia pours arms into a volatile region.

June 15, 2013 at 12:21 a.m.
alprova said...

We need to stay totally out of it. But...I'm sure our leaders have other plans.

June 15, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
nucanuck said...

World's policeman? That's quaint and sooo outdated. The US now tries to pick the governments of other countries, in other cultures.

Obama announced that Assad had to go. To be replaced by whom, may we ask? Apparently the Saudis, the Turks, the Israelis, and the Qataris want Assad replaced by a Sunni, any Sunni. The Iranians, the Russians, the Chinese, and most Lebanese want Assad to stay.

The US, Britain, and France want whatever Israel wants and are willing to intervene to try to insure that Assad is forced out.

What the hell are we thinking! How do we possibly know who should be the leader of Syria. We have made a complete mess of every regime change that we caused, and there have been plenty. We are struggling to find good leadership for ourselves, what makes us think that we can use money, weapons, no fly zones, and military force to choose a leader in another country? Who do we think we are?

Policemen try to keep order, the US specializes in entropy, the polar opposite.

June 15, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

THINK OF SYRIA AS A GATEWAY DRUG

Arming Syrian rebels is a bad idea. Iranian forces are fighting along side the Syrian Army. Iran is highly motivated to keep Assad in power and have more to lose if his reign collapses.

Nitwits like McCain (Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran) and Graham have been itching for an Iran war for years, and here’s the perfect opportunity to get the ball rolling.

Arming the rebels is step number one. How long before we 'realize' the weapons we sent were insufficient and we need to send more? Next time why not include some military advisors? And a Syrian no-fly zone? What the heck, why not let a few predator drones pitch in?

Does anyone know exactly who the rebels are? Are we giving guns to al-Queda? Hamas?

What's the worse that could happen?

June 15, 2013 at 12:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

This is insanity.

June 15, 2013 at 1:15 a.m.
Pokerface said...

This is a sh/t sandwich all the way around. I think we should stay out of it, the argument that they are slaughtering people, and using chemical weapons, ok, what's the difference with that and all of the slaughtering And genocide taking place in Africa over the last decade or so? Skin color and what's below their feet. We should get off of our moral high horses and take care of our own problems.

June 15, 2013 at 5:05 a.m.
jesse said...

Gulf of Tomkin reboot???

Or maybe Dubya's W.M.D.'s

Any excuse to meddle ,be sending troops soon!

June 15, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.
EaTn said...

While Syria is similar to Iraq a decade ago, at least Syria has a strong opposition civilian force needing help--Iraq had little. Our leaders just wanted to cowboy it alone. Is Syria really where we want to pick our fight with Russia and Iran? Sometimes the winners can turn-out as losers, as Afghanistan did to the Soviets and Iraq has done to the US.

June 15, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

The Muslim brotherhood has infiltrated the rebels and selected each leader thus far. Are we being duped and pulled into a quagmire from which there is no escape? How big a world police force do we need and can afford? Ron Paul had it about right but both parties and their supporters were critical. Did anyone see the Egyptian leaders comments on a mike he didn't realize was open....our war is with America and Israel etc.?

June 15, 2013 at 7:45 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Groggy, plaintruth combs the crumbs out of his beard and types... "Hell has frozen over." His chin hits his chest. He nods and sways for right at one hour, is startled by gas escaping from one or more of his orifices, and types... "This is insanity." lmao Thanks for staying up and getting that info across, reeb.

June 15, 2013 at 7:51 a.m.
frayne48 said...

When will we ever learn ?

June 15, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
rick1 said...

BW4 , you mention nitwits like McCain and Graham but you forgot to mention Billy Jefferson (BJ) Clinton said the following while speaking with McCain at an event this past Tuesday:

“You just think how lame you’d be … suppose I had let a million people, two million people be refugees out of Kosovo, a couple hundred thousand people die, and they say, ‘You could have stopped this by dropping a few bombs. Why didn’t you do it?’ And I say, ‘because the House of Representatives voted 75 percent against it?’” Clinton said. “You look like a total wuss, and you would be.”

“If you refuse to act and you cause a calamity, the one thing you cannot say when all the eggs have been broken is, ‘Oh my god, two years ago there was a poll that said 80 percent of you were against it.’ You look like a total fool,” Clinton said.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/13/bill-clinton-obama-may-look-like-a-wuss-over-syria.html

I guess Clinton forgot about Rwanda when he was President, where 800,000 people were killed in less than two months.

June 15, 2013 at 8:08 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

I notice our friendly neighborhood democratic Party apparatchik did not draw Libya and Egypt as loads on the man's back.

Mideast's problem? Lack of Christianity. Afghanistan was a mess because led by devout Muslims, the Taliban. Lots of Muslims don't make the trouble the Taliban makes, but few Muslims would deny the Taliban are devout Muslims. Iraq's Hussein was a practicing atheist in a turban, so to speak; same with Libya's Qaddafi and Egypt's Mubarak; same with Syria's Assad. Replacing Q&A with Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah may not improve.

Solution? Compare Christendom with Atheistic and Islamic countries, the US, badly short of Jesus as we fall, with North Korea and Saudi Arabia. Obviously we need something Jesus, the President of presidents, gives, something leaders who die with their own sins instead of dying for ours, and who stay dead for more than three days, cannot give. What love, to die for His enemies! What power, to rise up alive from the dead! Atheists who investigate the resurrection of King Jesus with an open mind tend to become known as Christians, e.g. Frank Morrison, Viggo Olson...

So as a condition for helping Syrian or other rebels, we should insist that they establish religious freedom, so that Muslims and others who choose to reject Islam and become Christians are free to do so and free to group with others for worship and good works. In Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, and Libya we failed to do this, and our brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus are suffering as a result, especially in Iraq and Egypt. I send a little help through www.barnabasaid.org; go thou and do likewise.

June 15, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.

Exactly, what about Libya and Egypt? It seems that Obamboozle can take all the action he wants and gets a free pass from the lefties, but when a Republican takes action they all soil their pants. Hypocrites.

June 15, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.

It's absolute madness to get involved in the middle east. Fight terrorism aggressively, but to get involved in their insane politics and centuries old feuds is nuts. Who is going to replace Assad, some extremist jackass? Obama is a ridiculous hypocrite.

June 15, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Bill Clinton's comments were reckless and very unfortunate. I totally disagree with him on his assessments. He has his own failings to deal with, although Rwanda has been one of his regrets.

He stated that the American people want to be informed and assured that any action taken in these type of situations is well thought out, and he is right.

Turmoil in the Middle East and Northern Africa is not going to be solved by any intervention by the United states or through any support by other nations either.

Russia and Iran are already involved, albeit to aid the current Government. That too is unfortunate and it presents a real danger to the United States if we do get involved in arming the rebels.

If something goes wrong, we will likely be at war with Russia and Iran, and God knows who else.

President Obama has a tough decision to make and it appears that a course has been set with the announcement that we are going to send arms to the rebels.

What bothers me the most is the charge that our intelligence that chemical weapons have been deployed is incorrect. It's Déjà vu, and I truly don't know who to believe. The United States has been proven to be wrong more than once and many, many people have died as a result.

I firmly believe it is a big mistake to meddle but the war powers and profiteers in this nation seem to be in charge and are able to overrule anyone and everyone.

I truly don't know how some of our politicians, including Bill Clinton, sleep at night. But...I guess if you have no conscience, nothing bothers you.

June 15, 2013 at 9:46 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Lohr wants more Christian Crusades. From the Vietnam war-cry of "Kill a Commie for Christ" it's now "Kill Muslims for Christ."

Religious foreign policy never works. Never.

Jesus is still dead. Fighting wars for dead saviors, prophets, Jehovahs, Allahs, and all other imaginary gods is still murder.

Lohr can take a plane to war-zones anytime he wants. Perhaps Lohr can sing them into surrender with this little ditty.

http://tinyurl.com/m9llclm

June 15, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
jesse said...

Wrong Al? Incorrect? I think there is a 75% chance they are flat out lying!!

Johnson LIED about Tomkin and Bush lied about W.M.D so there it is!You think Obama won't lie to get what he wants??

But true or false we got NO horse in this race that i can see,heck they ain't even no oil in Syria !

June 15, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Letting the rest of the world go to Hell is a great idea. Especially the middle east. Now, let's get those oil wells a'pumpin' over here and let them eat oil and rub it on for medicine in the middle east.

When our own privileged citizens with government financial support and infinite opportunity to succeed would rather live in decaying ghettos and shoot each other for sport than live like civilized people, that should be a lesson to us that we can't change human nature. People who want to live like savages will do so, whether in Orchard Knob or in Syria.

June 15, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.

I truly don't know how some of our politicians, including Bill Clinton, sleep at night. But...I guess if you have no conscience, nothing bothers you.


This assumes you and others have all the information those you say have no conscience have access to. I seriously doubt any of us have the same information and set of facts those in the positions you are critical of have.

It is amazing how different people can take the same information and reach totally different conclusions. This phenomena is not because one is more or less intelligent. The conclusions and opinions come from different experiences and exposures. Each experience and exposure contributes to a person's mental map. Many seek opinions and read about things they want to hear and agree with which re-enforces what they already want to believe. Some become so entrenched in their position and political ideology they will react and attack any view differing form their own.

I am inclined to think that reasonable people provided with the same clear and understandable "facts" will reach very similar conclusions. The difficulty is determining what is fact and what is fiction. Some will evaluate as fiction that which they disagree and accept as facts that with which they agree. Unfortunately this is often driven by their political puppeteer, favorite journalist or a personal need.

June 15, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

"Unfortunately this is often driven by their political puppeteer, favorite journalist or a personal need." What's your poison, ALPO?

June 15, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.
miraweb said...

Holbrook noted that military force is just a tool available to nudge a diplomatic goal. You have to have a purpose to the strikes. In Kosovo, the purpose was to get a couple of real bastards to start negotiating and stop killing.

You also need to know how you will get out.

Clinton is a smart guy and that strategy did work in Kosovo.

Assad believes Russian and Iran have his back. Iran has elections this week and there are things the U.S. has that Russia wants at the G8. I don't think there are any really good solutions to Syria. It may be a matter of picking the least bad.

The goal here may not be to stop the fighting but to get Assad to lock down the WMDs.

I think we are sure that the U.S. public is pretty damn tired of fighting (and paying for) wars in the Middle East. That will make any lengthy conflict difficult to support domestically.

I think a lot of people are hoping that Assad trips on the soap in the bathtub but that seems unlikely as well.

June 15, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Some hopeful and surprising things happening in Iran:

”Politically moderate cleric Hassan Rohani is on the path to winning Iran’s presidential election, a stunning result that upends predictions of a preordained hardline victory and heralds change – both in tone, and almost certainly in substance – for the Islamic Republic.”

“Mr. Rohani, a former nuclear negotiator, has an almost unassailable lead with more than three times as many votes as his nearest rival with two-thirds of the votes counted and will likely avoid a runoff that many analysts had expected. He faced down a host of conservatives in Friday’s vote, stating at the ballot box that he had “come to destroy extremism.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0615/Reformist-Rohani-on-verge-of-Iran-presidency-shocking-country-and-Khamenei?nav=87-frontpage-entryNineItem

June 15, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

mountainlaurel said...

Some hopeful and surprising things happening in Iran:

”Politically moderate cleric Hassan Rohani is on the path to winning Iran’s presidential election, a stunning result that upends predictions of a preordained hardline victory and heralds change – both in tone, and almost certainly in substance – for the Islamic Republic.”

Sadly, to many fundamentalist Christians and Jews, Israeli uber-nationalists, and US Congressional, government and military war-mongers and neo-cons, this will make little difference.

Watch for Israel (BiBi and his crowd) to start something and McCain, Graham, Obama, and Fox News to fall into lock-step for intervention there as well.

It's time for major disruption of the government war machine before another in a long list of failed foreign interventions.

I wonder when, instead of Bronze Stars and DSC for US service personnel, the government will be awarding Halliburton medals and Lockheed campaign ribbons.

"My Daddy died for fat-cat politicians, board-of-director retired generals, and to keep the world markets safe for US corporations. He'll be buried in the Exxon National Cemetery if they can find enough pieces to fit in an oil can. God bless the United States of Amalgamated Corporations."

June 15, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Our commander-in-chief who represents us on the world stage is black. Why would Bennett doodle him as a WASP?

June 15, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Laurel: The Ayatollah in Iran is just shuffling the deck of chairs with the election. Same oppressive and destructive policies will continue. Hope I'm worng.

June 15, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

patriot1 said...

"Our commander-in-chief who represents us on the world stage is black. Why would Bennett doodle him as a WASP?"

Because out of the last twelve meddlesome presidents, eleven have been white — majority rules, perhaps?

What difference does color make? Imperialism knows no color.

June 15, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Some hopeful and surprising things happening in Iran:

”Politically moderate cleric Hassan Rohani is on the path to winning Iran’s presidential election, a stunning result that upends predictions of a preordained hardline victory and heralds change – both in tone, and almost certainly in substance – for the Islamic Republic.”

“Mr. Rohani, a former nuclear negotiator, has an almost unassailable lead with more than three times as many votes as his nearest rival

Mountainlaurel....I think you know why would the ayatollah would want a nuclear negotiator in office. The Ayatollah will still be the controlling decision maker.

I keep waiting on someone in the political arena to explain to provide some convincing logic why we need to be in the middle east and northern Africa in any manner.

1-9/11 reaction?

We did not have to get involved in Afghanistan to capture or kill Bin Laden. It could have been accomplished using clandestine operations, the country was of no threat to the U.S.

2-They hate us and want to destroy America.

OK, then build a defense that makes that essentially impossible instead of helping them destroy us through our financial situation. Iraq was no threat to U.S. soil, there was no justification for our intrusion into Iraq.

3-They attack and kill their own people or each other.

Therefore what? Is that any different than it has been through out history? If there is to be a U.S. reaction It can only work if it is aggressive and destructive, essentially destroying a country without regard for "lateral damage".

June 15, 2013 at 4:32 p.m.
dude_abides said...

DesJarlais "Deeply Concerned With Obama Supplying Syrian Rebels With Small Arms, Ammunition"

"These people are crazy," Desjarlais fumed. "They're apt to be putting the barrels in their mouths and threatening to kill themselves! They're unbalanced! This is some Syrious sh!t!"

June 15, 2013 at 11:39 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

daytonsdarwin, Christian government may be the worst except for all the others--take an average, as I said! That Christians sin and goof is standard Christian doctrine, confirmed, obviously, by experience. That Atheism guarantees good government strikes me as, well, kinda dubious. There were those guys named Stalin, Mao... But Christianity offers love and power (Cross and Resurrection) in ways Atheism cannot even pretend to. If Iran's new guy can improve matters, power to him. (Whatever their constitution says, I'd suggest he might put the ayatollah's power to a referendum.) Follow Jesus; check Him out.

June 16, 2013 at 1:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

PlainTruth says: “The Ayatollah in Iran is just shuffling the deck of chairs with the election.”

I think you’re wrong about this, PT. Everyone seems truly surprised by the election results and I seriously doubt this would be the case if it were just a matter of the Ayatollah shuffling the deck chairs. According to the vote count, his guys came in last.

June 16, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.
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